27 January 2007

you need a fact checker.

I was trying to fall asleep about 15 minutes ago and I had Fox News on in the background. Neil Cavuto was chatting with some Evangelical minister guy who was trying to "take back" the word "evangelical" so it doesn't have the whackadoo connotation it has now. Whatever, have fun, knock yourself out, everyone's got to have something to believe in, good luck to ya. Then it happened. Minister guy, in response to a statement about too many religious people in politics, went on to say that separation of church and state was not in the constitution or in the bill of rights and that it was merely a letter that Jefferson once wrote. Let's take a look at the First Amendment to U.S. Constitution shall we?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Huh... not in the constitution eh? So, because in one letter from Jefferson to Madison he used the phrase "...thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." This somehow invalidates the separation? How about this: Madison was HUGE into keeping the two separate. Hey, guess what Madison was the primary drafter of? THE BILL OF RIGHTS. Let's see what he has to say about the issue shall we? "Strongly guarded . . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States... practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States" (1811 letter to Baptist Churches). So, because the exact phrase isn't in the constitution this means you can try to permeate the government? I think the founding fathers would wag their finger at you. For shame. For shame!


13 comments:

Scooter said...

Many countries of europe have state churches, and nearly the whole population is secular. There is a strong separation of church and state here, and the body of Christ (or Yahweh, or Allah, or Krishnah or _____) is vibrant and growing.

It begs the question, why would a REAL Christian (or _____) want to remove that separation?

The Book of Mark, chapter 12, verses 13-17, yo.

Kristin said...

The evangelical thing does kind of piss me off, the current whacko definition of it. There's a difference between evangelical and the Pentecostal, mega-church evangelicals in Jesus Camp. I'm just saying...

Stickler said...

That guy is a whack job! Chud I've noticed quite recently that there are a lot of stupid people out there. People who spout out off random viewpoints that are incorrect and not researched, just to hear themselves talk.

So I got this pamphlet in the mail for a free stress test, anyone want to go with me to the scientologist center and have one done. :)

Drunken Chud said...

scooter, in answer to your question: so as to influence laws and policy to make them more conducive to christian ideals and lifestyle. A good group of states had at one point state sponsored churches. they were pretty much all protestant. then the micks showed up and created parochial schooling for catholics since public schooling was protestant and thus offensive.

well, the evangelical thing isn't JUST new, i mean, you look back at jimmy swaggart, jim bakker, pat robertson and jerry falwell. none of these guys help in any way.

stick, i so badly want to man. i want to get a pamphlet like that. i think they advertise on the radio as a free cure to anxiety and depression. i really should call them.

Rev said...

Chud. You can take the scientology personality test thingy online, you just have to go to the closest center in person to get your results.

Remember, awhile back when I was pointing out there was a center in Farmington Hills, and wanting to shoot people as they exited?

That's because I had just taken the test and found out that was the closest place to get my results.

Fuck them.

Scooter said...

Yeah! Fuck them with a red hot crow bar!

Drunken Chud said...

OOOOH! CURT LET'S GO! LET'S GO!

scooter, sometimes your fixation with metalurgy scares me.

Rev said...

Actually, I think it'd be hilarious if you and I went to the center.

We'd need at LEAST a digital voice recorder to capture the hilarity that would, no doubt, ensue.

joe said...

What about DV? I mean, if you wanted to tell them you were interested in becoming a Scientologist, and thought it would make a good documentary....

Scooter said...

I wonder if there's any blacksmith porn out there. I'd look, but I bet I'd get way too much "blacks on blondes" stuff...

Dana said...

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Drunken Chud said...

we'd have to go in seperately and pretend to be successful. then come back and pretend to be poor. see how well we get treated in either scenario.

joe, you may be on to something there.

scooter, i don't think you'd get a lot of that, i think you'd get a lot of horse porn. "the blacksmith and the pony" "my friend flicka likes to get fucked in the pooper" "national velvet takes slopshots from the smithy" type shit.

danal, i love that site. sometimes his commentary is pure gold.

NAME: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater said...

I can't weigh in on this one, because I'm not smart, but I will say this: Rev's picture is hilarious!!